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Sr. Donna Quinn (left) as escort at abortion mill.
This is awful. Nuns gone wild. The AP reports:
Catholic nuns are urging Congress to pass President Barack Obama’s health care plan, in an unusual public break with bishops who say it would subsidize abortion.
Some 60 leaders of religious orders representing 59,000 Catholic nuns Wednesday sent lawmakers a letter urging them to pass the Senate health care bill. It contains restrictions on abortion funding that the bishops say don’t go far enough.
The letter says that “despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions.” The letter says the legislation also will help support pregnant women and “this is the real pro-life stance.”
This kind of thing will almost certainly confuse many Catholics. Methinks the Dems have had this in their pocket for a while and are now attempting to create momentum. This comes on the heels of Catholic congressman Dale Kildee’s official endorsement today and the Catholic Health Association endorsing Obamacare.
What really kills me is that the bill clearly funds abortion. Do they really think that if they lie openly enough and loudly enough that everyone will simply accept it.
This is an in-your-face to the bishops who need to react to this kind of thing.
The following is the full text of the letter from Catholic nuns endorsing Obamacare. Below the letter is a complete list of the signatories.
Dear Members of Congress:
We write to urge you to cast a life-affirming “yes” vote when the Senate health care bill (H.R. 3590) comes to the floor of the House for a vote as early as this week. We join the Catholic Health Association of the United States (CHA), which represents 1,200 Catholic sponsors, systems, facilities and related organizations, in saying: the time is now for health reform AND the Senate bill is a good way forward.
As the heads of major Catholic women’s religious order in the United States, we represent 59,000 Catholic Sisters in the United States who respond to needs of people in many ways. Among our other ministries we are responsible for running many of our nation’s hospital systems as well as free clinics throughout the country.
We have witnessed firsthand the impact of our national health care crisis, particularly its impact on women, children and people who are poor. We see the toll on families who have delayed seeking care due to a lack of health insurance coverage or lack of funds with which to pay high deductibles and co-pays. We have counseled and prayed with men, women and children who have been denied health care coverage by insurance companies. We have witnessed early and avoidable deaths because of delayed medical treatment.
The health care bill that has been passed by the Senate and that will be voted on by the House will expand coverage to over 30 million uninsured Americans. While it is an imperfect measure, it is a crucial next step in realizing health care for all. It will invest in preventative care. It will bar insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. It will make crucial investments in community health centers that largely serve poor women and children. And despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions. It will uphold longstanding conscience protections and it will make historic new investments – $250 million – in support of pregnant women. This is the REAL pro-life stance, and we as Catholics are all for it.
Congress must act. We are asking every member of our community to contact their congressional representatives this week. In this Lenten time, we have launched nationwide prayer vigils for health care reform. We are praying for those who currently lack health care. We are praying for the nearly 45,000 who will lose their lives this year if Congress fails to act. We are also praying for you and your fellow Members of Congress as you complete your work in the coming days. For us, this health care reform is a faith mandate for life and dignity of all of our people.
We urge you to vote “yes” for life by voting yes for health care reform in H.R. 3590.
Marlene Weisenbeck, FSPA
LCWR President
Leadership Conference of Women Religious
Joan Chittister, OSB
Co-Chair Global Peace Initiative of Women
Erie, PA
Sr. Mary Persico, IHM
President
Congregation of the Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Scranton, PA
Sr. Susan Hadzima, IHM
Councilor for Missioning and Community Life
Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Scranton, PA
Mary Genino (RSHM)
Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary
Western American Province.
Nancy Conway CSJ
Congregation Leadership Team
The Congregation of St. Joseph
Debra M. Sciano, SSND
Provincial Leader
Milwaukee Province, School Sisters of Notre Dame
Josephine Gaugier, OP
Adrian Dominican Sisters
Holy Rosary Mission Chapter Prioress
Adrian, MI
Kathleen Nolan, OP
Adrian Dominican Sisters
Office of the General Council
Marlene Weisenbeck, FSPA
President
Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration
La Crosse, WI
Corinne Weiss
Servants of Jesus Leadership Team
Saginaw MI
Adrian Dover OP
Prioress
Dominican Sisters of Houston, Texas
Rose Mary Dowling, FSM
President
Franciscan Sisters of Mary
Leadership Team
Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
(from Mary Martens, BVM, Administrative Assistant)
Beatrice Haines, OLVM
President, Our Lady of Victory Missionary Sisters
Huntington IN
Joan Saalfeld, SNJM, Provincial
Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary
U.S.-Ontario Province
Jo’Ann De Quattro, SNJM
Sisters of the Holy Names
U.S.-Ontario Province Leadership Team
Sharon Simon, OP
President
Racine Dominicans
Maryann A. McMahon, O.P.
Vice President
Dominican Sisters of Racine, WI
Agnes Johnson, OP
Vice President
Racine Dominicans
Pat Mulcahey, OP
Prioress of Sinsinawa Dominicans
Pam Chiesa, PBVM
President
Sisters of the Presentation, San Francisco
Patricia Anne Cloherty, PBVM
Leadership Team, Sisters of the Presentation, San Francisco
Gloria Inés Loya
Leadership Team
Sisters of the Presentation, San Francisco
Gloria Marie Jones, OP
Dominican Sisters of Mission San Jose
Congregational Prioress and Council
Mary Litell
Provincial Councilor
Sisters of St. Francis of Penance and Christian Charity St. Francis Province
Theresa Sandok, OSM
Servants of Mary (Servite Sisters)
Ladysmith, Wisconsin
Sr Claire Graham SSS
General Director
Sisters of Social Service
Encino CA
Margaret Byrne CSJP – Congregation Leader
Teresa Donohue CSJP – Assistant Congregation Leader
Sisters of St. Joseph of Peace
Sr. Carmelita Latiolais, S.E.C.
Sisters of the Eucharistic Covenant
Joan Mumaw, IHM – Vice President
On behalf of the Leadership Council
Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Monroe, Michigan
Sister Clare of Assisi Pierre, SSF
Sisters of the Holy Family
New Orleans, LA
Sister Marla Monahan, SND
Provincial
Sisters of Notre Dame
(St. Claire Regional Medical Center in Morehead, KY
and St. Charles Care Center in Covington, KY)
Vivien Linkhauer, SC
Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill, United States Province
Greensburg, PA
Dolores Maguire
Sisters of the Holy Faith
Northern California LCWR Region XIV
Sr. Mary Elizabeth Schweiger, OSB
Subprioress
Mount St. Scholastica
Atchison, KS
Marianites of Holy Cross
Sr. Suellen Tennyson, MSC
Congregational Leader
Barbara Hagedorn, SC
Sisters of Charity of Cincinnati
Mt. St. Joseph, Ohio
Francine Schwarzenberger OP
Dominican Sisters of Peace
Denver, Colorado
Sister Maureen McCarthy
School Sisters of St. Francis
U.S. Provincial Team
Milwaukee, WI
Eileen C. Reid, RJM
Provincial Superior
Religious of Jesus and Mary
Washington DC
Sister Cecilia Dwyer, O.S.B.
Prioress
Benedictine Sisters of Virginia
The Congregation of Sisters of St. Agnes
Sister Joann Sambs, CSA
General Superior
Sisters of St. Francis
Tiffin, Ohio
(from Sr. Mary Kuhlman)
Sr. Helen McDonald, SHCJ
Province Leader
Society of the Holy Child Jesus
Leadership Team
Sisters of the Precious Blood
Dayton, OH
The Leadership Team of the Sisters of St. Joseph of the Third Order of St. Francis
Sister Jane Blabolil, SSJ-TOSF
Sister Michelle Wronkowski, SSJ-TOSF
Sister Dorothy Pagosa, SSJ-TOSF
Sister Linda Szocik, SSJ-TOSF
Sr. Gladys Guenther SHF
Sisters of the Holy Family
Congregational President
Fremont, CA
Sr. Dorothy Maxwell, Councilor
Sisters of St. Dominic
Blauvelt New York
Sheral Marshall, OSF
Provincial Councilor
Sisters of St Francis
Marilyn Kerber, SNDdeN
Canonical Representative, Ohio Province
Sisters of St. Louis, California Region
(from Sr. Michele Harnett, SSL)
Ruth Goodwin, OSF
Sisters of ST. Francis of Philadelphia
Sisters of Mercy of the Americas Leadership Team
Sr. Joanne Buckman, OSU
Ursuline Sisters of Cleveland
This makes my stomach turn. These women should be ashamed of themselves. If they care about ministering health care to the poor, why don’t they just do it instead of whining and begging the government.
I agree. This makes my heart is sick. I guess I am naive about the Catholic Church today. How can Sr.Donna Quinn work at an abortion clinic? I just don’t get it. How can she remain not only a sister but even part of the Catholic Church at all?
I thought that Nancy Pelosi, now talking of praying (sic) to St. Joseph for the passage of the health care bill, should be run out of the Church, but now Catholic nuns supporting this horrid legislation…my heart is sick. I feel lost.
Where are the Dominican Sisters in Nashville? How about the Dominican Sisters in Michigan? My daughter is a member of the Servant Sisters of the Home of the Mother – also not on this list. These groups are bursting at the seams with vocations, and they are not signatories of this foolish letter. Hmmm…. could this be merely a coincidence?
It’s sad to see the sisters endorsing the government program, not only with the abortion coverage provided (limited only by what HHS is allowed to do given whatever the changeable law may be, and it is obvious that the Democrats have every intention of changing it). Have they noticed the track record the government has with making realistic budget projections? Did they notice that the government can’t afford Medicare and Medicaid, yet the sisters think its wonderful that the government wants to control the entire health system? Do these sisters think the government has some magic well where they can dip in a bucket and come up with all the money needed to give one wonderful benefit after another? It’s not going to happen. How do they feel about the Democratic leadership indicating that abortion coverage would save money, by eliminating the very groups of people that the sisters serve? Have they given any thought to the reality that if this passes, we will all eventually be paying for whatever gruesome procedure replaces partial birth abortion as the newest method of eliminating the late-term “unwanted”? Does any of this give them reason to think again, and consider that there may be much better, less politicized, less wasteful, more moral ways to help the poor?
Good for the nuns!
Why shouldn’t they think for themselves? Especially when their thinking skills are so far superior to their ‘superiors.’ I’m proud of them!
What’s wrong with giving helping the sick in the most efficient, organized way possible? The last time I checked, God was a God of love and of order. Why thwart putting that kind of good sense into law?
Do you actually believe the lies that the right have made up? Look, if no one gets money for abortion, but they do get the insulin or chemo or whatever treatment it is they need, why be cruel and prevent it?
Would that you’d pick up some of the nuns’ common sense and compassion – or at least be quiet – so the poor wouldn’t be the object of oppression.
Hi ani,
All of us want to see affordable health care for all. After that fact is established, it becomes what is the best way to go about this, while insuring protection of all life from natural conception to natural death. There’s a reason why Big Abortion supports this bill while all legitimate pro-life groups are on their knees, praying this will not be passed, with the faux protections in place.
Hi mercyknight,
Thanks for your comment.
But to say, “There’s a reason why Big Abortion supports this bill while all legitimate pro-life groups are on their knees, praying this will not be passed, with the faux protections in place,” is to add nothing helpful to the public discourse.
Rather, it’s an example of the empty soundbites that seem to be convincing to many people and are thus, quite unfortunately, so very powerful. The point may appear to have some kind of strength if you wrote in specifics. For example,
Who, exactly, is “Big Abortion?” Can you define ‘Big Abortion’ and support the claim?
Who are the “legitimate pro-life groups?” Can you define ‘legitimate’ and support the claim?
In regards to ‘the legitimate pro-life groups on their knees praying the legislation will not be passed,’ would you not consider nuns to be among the pro-lifers? Or to be legitimate?
Come on, the rights of the unborn are a worthy and important subject of discussion. But denying health coverage to individuals because you don’t want abortion funded in a bill that – surprise! – does not fund abortions, won’t further your cause.
My advice, let the bill pass. Then, rather than joining the right – as so many pro-lifers are wont to do – fight the right in its paranoid attacks on social safety nets for humanity.
Build a social infrastructure that lets girls and any women who are pregnant know that, yes, they can finish school because the government will help make it affordable and guarantee safe childcare for them.
Pump money into education. It can only help.
Urge schools to encourage programs for their students to go out and benefit their communities from the youngest ages so they can understand the interdependence of humanity and the need for the country to get organized in the way it helps its citizens.
Regulate (nb: that does not mean censor) what kids see on TV so they don’t get ideas about intimacy and violence before they are ready to understand that what they are seeing is the product of Hollywood and Madison Ave trying to maximize profit even if it means being irresponsible.
Allow sex education in schools (as some Catholic schools have thankfully done) so kids have a venue to get real facts after their inundation by the media with false information and ideas.
Not to take up too much space on your comments section, but good grief, when is the Catholic Church coming to its senses?
It’s lovely to see that so many orders of nuns have sense, – and I’ve known some liberal Catholics so this is not necessarily new – but when will we see Catholic websites and blogs urging better access to sex education, for example?
And, instead of expending all their engergies on anti-abortion crusades (even when their is nothing to crusade against as in this bill), attempting to invest some true elbow grease into the battle to teach kids how to be healthy and that babies are not the end of the world, because the world will help them, even their country will help them.
Ani,
I want the poor taken care of, too. But the government is the worst entity to entrust with such an important job. The waste, the politicization of health care, the rationing that MUST take place because there is simply not an unlimited source of funding – all these and more are reasons not to want the government to be intruding at this level in the health care system. When the government wastes money that should go to the poor, can you stop giving money to the government and give it to a responsible local organization instead? No, you can’t. When the government takes more and more of your income to “feed the beast” – meaning, to support the enormous bureaucracy that inevitably builds up, can you decline to give them the money, because you would rather give it to a neighbor in need? No, you cannot. When we bankrupt our country, which the current Medicare system is already close to doing, can we turn on the printing machines and make more money, so that doctors and hospitals, and the “beast”, can continue to be paid? Sure, but we will destroy our economy in the process. And then who will help the poor?
There is a need to reform insurance laws. There is a need to be sure people who are sick are cared for. But giving the government the level of control that the legislators seek over an entire industry is not the way to help the poor.
Limited government. Local control. Private industry that has to serve its customers or go out of business. Private charities that have to spend donations responsibly or stop receiving donations. These are far better answers than the mammoth health care take over that is being orchestrated in Washington.
There are not two choices: 1. support government takeover of healthcare or 2. leave the poor to fend for themselves. There are other, better solutions.
I’m afraid that if you think abortion will not be covered, you are very naive. The bill as written only states that abortion can be covered only insofar as HHS is allowed by law to cover it. Allow HHS to cover it, and it’s covered. And YOU will pay for the babies of poor women to be killed. This is clearly the intent of the majority of Democrats currently in both Houses of Congress. It doesn’t matter if you and the sisters who signed this letter want to tell yourselves otherwise. Your mistaken trust in the system and the sisters’ foolish betrayal of the bishops’ leadership, if they help this bill to become law, will cost the poor in America very, very dearly.
Sharon,
Just a few words before I sign off, as obviously those of your point of view are functioning from an ingrained and completely different philosophy which all but precludes the finding of common ground in a forum like this.
In short, the idea that adequately-sized government which operates on a federal level in matters that address basic human concerns is makes perfect sense to the sensible.
A human from Missouri is no different from a human from Massachusetts when the question is, how does one treat cancer. No local considerations need to be taken into account. We are not talking about potholes in New England after a harsh winter, an issue Southern Californians need not think about.
You may find me naive, but you’re pointing your finger in the wrong direction.
Consider: You call ‘health care’ an industry. Industries main job is to make money. It is not to care for the ill.
When a ‘health care’ provider (insurance company)cuts someone from coverage because they are ill, that is good for the bottom line, which is money NOT the sick person.
And there is nothing wrong with that. That’s right: They are doing their job, making a profit.
That’s why we need to take their jobs away from them.
Health care is not an industry like the auto industry. It’s a basic human right. It’s up to governments to ensure that rights are upheld. That’s why we create governments. They are not created simply so a people have a lovely flag to wave at the Olympics.
The naive people are those who seem to think the system will take care of itself. Extremely naive. Naivete is thinking CEOs care more about your health than they do green paper.
Of course, there aren’t only two choices in how this is handled, but there is a basic choice. Either there should be government involvement or there should not be.
Also, you claim that there are more than two choices, yet your claims argue a different viewpoint.
It is not a foregone conclusion that the government will bankrupt itself by doing its job. Killing the possibility of government involvement for that reason reflects a short-sightedness that betrays the perception of this issue as black and white.
In a nutshell, governmental fiscal health and social services like health care are not mutually exclusive.
Are we so helpless that without big business we can’t treat our medical conditions? How convoluted. How sad.
Since this is a religious site, it might be a good idea to bring religion back into this. I understand, given your opinion, your frustration with the sisters. But it does occur to me, doesn’t the Bible say something against calling other people fools?
As far as betraying the bishops’ leadership is concerned, does a nun completely sever herself from her right to make any decision when taking vows? I was taught that it’s fine to contradict authority when that authority is telling you to do something wrong. If the bishops’ tell the sisters to do something against their consciences, is it so hard to understand why they would feel they have to take a different road?
You claim that “giving the government the level of control that the legislators seek over an entire industry is not the way to help the poor.” But you offer no alternative solutions.
And, here again, is the issue of industry. Your use of the words “an entire idustry” demonstrates that, to you and others, business is more important than, say, the humans in the country.
Ani,
Yes, I did give alternatives. I could give more specifics, such as a simple law that prevents insurance companies from dropping a person because they get sick. That does not take 2,700 pages of government intrusion to accomplish. The laws currently allow insurance companies to get away with unfair practices – laws that the government has on the books and that the government could change. These include laws that allow insurance companies to operate monopolies. Monopolies insulate a company from having to respond to customers’ requirements. That is another simple change to make, one that is within the power of the government.
I did not call anyone a fool. You are probably right to think that that you will not change anyone’s mind on this website. I suppose I am foolish to think I could change yours – which doesn’t make me a fool, Ani.
You did not address the fact that you will pay for abortion under this plan. I cited one instance, which is from page 2071 of the approximately 2,700 bill, available here.
Click to access 111_hr3590_engrossed.pdf
I was directed there by my pro-choice congressman’s staff because they said this was proof that abortion would not be covered. It is clearly not.
Since you are a person who thinks there’s a problem with an industry making money, then there is very little philosophical common ground that we could discuss this matter on. I would have thought that abortion was one of the issues that we did have common ground on, but in your desire to see the government take over health care, you are apparently willing to sacrifice the unborn along the way. I share no common ground with you on that matter whatsoever.
Sharon,
I’m sorry. To have said you called the sisters fools was disingenuous of me, I know. Indeed, you did not call them such. Good catch.
Thank you for the link to the bill. That’s very useful.
However, I have to think there is a bit of disingenuousness in your statement about my supposed problem with industries making money.
Surely you must realize that I do not see health care as a commodity. I made that exceedingly clear. It’s a sad thing that you find insulin and chemo to be products on which to make a profit just like, what are those tv products called, chia-heads?
I’ll be unapologetic about that. Health care is not an area to apply strict capitalist theory. Period.
I want a sober attitude toward abortion, not the nutty flippancy with which some people arguable treat it. There are other ways to fight such thinking. (Hence my comments on sex ed and regulations on, yes, an industry – that of advertising and entertainment)
But that doesn’t mean we should overturn Roe v Wade. Pro-choice is NOT the same as pro-abortion.
Disingenuousness pretty much gets us nowhere except the sometimes (if you’re exaggerating to make a point)useful realm of hyperbole. I regret my willingness to be disingenuous here. I hope you do, as well.
I respect your respect for the unborn. It’s important that someone argues that side, as silly as people sometimes (and wrongly) think it is.
Obviously, my theology is much different than yours. (I’m not even sure how I surfed onto this site.)In any case, hard thinking, empathetic thinking, debate that is civil but rough when it needs to be, honest appraisals of conscience, morality, all of this is needed to examine issues like these. It’s a delicate balance.
Thanks and take care.
All of These so called Catholic Leaders that Helped Pass OBAMACARE Should be immeadiately kicked out of the Roman Catholic Church for violating their vows of obedience to The Church Heirarchy and for going against the Teachings of the Roman Catholic Church!
Joseph,
At least as far as the sisters discussed in this article, I think we don’t need to worry too much about their future impact. They are not experiencing robust new vocation levels, to say the least, and their Orders will not be around that much longer.
On another level, this whole situation continues to make me very sad. The sisters who signed this letter, apparently out of concern for the poor, know so little about the effect this legislation is going to have. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just have an enormous government that would take care of the poor – not exactly the sacrificial caring for each other that Christ envisioned, but you know, if it works, why not? But it just doesn’t work. Just today, there are reports about the prospect of “value added taxes” becoming a reality in our country. This tax would add to the cost of every thing we buy, and that hurts the poor more than anyone! But it is ever more likely to happen, because this health care bill and other programs by legislators who supposedly care for the poor cannot be paid for with the money currently coming into the treasury. We are facing the prospect of the government taking more and more of our money, from middle class and poor alike, and spending it in whatever political and wasteful fashion they see fit, leaving all of us with less and less to share in ways that really could help the poor. It truly breaks my heart that these sisters cannot see the harm that all of this does to the poor – never mind the obvious impact on the unborn. This legislation is just a terribly bad idea, and I’m sorry it has become the law of our land.
Dear Sharon,
My wife and I are seeking information and comments about the religious order Servant Sisters of the Home of the Mother based in Spain. Our college sophomore daughter has an opportunity to spend about five weeks with them,, culminating in the week long World Youth Day, in Madrid. Her understanding of this opportunity is that the four prepatory weeks will be training for the Order’s media coverage of WYD, followed by the actual week of work at the event itself.
Is this an orthodox order? Is it “legit”? We have rresearched what we can on the web, but personal experiences and/or opinions from real people would be welcome.
Hi Donald,
I think that your daughter would have a wonderful experience with the Home of the Mother. She will most likely learn a lot about media production, since the Home does produce television programs and is involved in other media. It is very exciting that they are playing a part in WYD in Spain. It’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the members of the Order. I know that the Home is sponsoring a pilgrimage to holy sites in Spain, beginning about a week before WYD, but it sounds like your daughter is participating in another program for people who are staying in Spain for a longer period.
The Home has recently been named an International Public Association of the Faithful, which means, if I am expressing it correctly, that they have been found acceptable by the Vatican in their mission and practices, and that they have been granted this status under the authority of the Holy See. They officially received that designation in Rome this past summer. Everything I have seen from the Home indicates that it is very orthodox and that the members of the Home very much want to serve Jesus, through His Mother Mary. I think they have attracted a very high quality of young men who are preparing for the priesthood or have been recently ordained. My daughter is very happy with them and often says how fortunate she is to be surrounded by so many good people.
I hope this helps!
Dear Sharon,
Thank you for your prompt response. So far, everything I have learned about the order is positive and reassuring, as was your letter.
This will most likely indeed be a wonderful opportunity for our daughter.
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